The Global Security Briefing podcast series is part of the European Security Beyond Europe project in cooperation between the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) and the Konrad-Adenauer-Stiftung (KAS) UK & Ireland Office.

In this episode, hosted by Dr Neil Melvin, Director RUSI International Security Studies, Anna Wieslander, Director for Northern Europe at the Atlantic Council, and Dick Zandee, Senior Research Fellow and Head of the Security Unit of the Research Department at the Clingendael Institute, discuss how two middle sized European nations, Sweden and the Netherlands, are looking at the future of European security and how they are seeking to balance their security interests around NATO and the EU.